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		<title>By: The TV Weasel &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Totally cool browser-based NLE</title>
		<link>http://www.capria.tv/2006/05/old-media-bubble/comment-page-1/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>The TV Weasel &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Totally cool browser-based NLE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 14:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Thanks to Bradley Horowitz for responding to an earlier entry. I discovered the Remixer project through his blog, and appreciate the value left in his wake. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.capria.tv/2006/05/old-media-bubble/comment-page-1/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 01:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bradley,

Thanks for the clarification. Your point&#039;s well taken. Perhaps I placed to much weight on the context of the quote (a rather bubbly piece of not-quite-gets-it psuedo-journalism) rather than the actual quote.

Granted this is a direct quote from a conversation, so all nuance is lost. I latched on to the &quot;spirit&quot; incorrectly. My bad.

Had the article mentioned last.fm instead of del.icio.us, I might have gotten your point more clearly. Don&#039;t get me wrong. I love del.icio.us, but I&#039;m less certain about the value I leave in my wake when I tag something there. It&#039;s an incredibly handy tool, but for the most part I (and most other people I talk to) use it as a personal bookmark assistant. Very rarely tapping into the potential value of public tagging. Sometimes I poke around and look at other stuff people who&#039;ve tagged the same links as I have tagged, but I can count on one hand number of interesting things I&#039;ve found through those means.

Thanks for weighing in on the conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bradley,</p>
<p>Thanks for the clarification. Your point&#8217;s well taken. Perhaps I placed to much weight on the context of the quote (a rather bubbly piece of not-quite-gets-it psuedo-journalism) rather than the actual quote.</p>
<p>Granted this is a direct quote from a conversation, so all nuance is lost. I latched on to the &#8220;spirit&#8221; incorrectly. My bad.</p>
<p>Had the article mentioned last.fm instead of del.icio.us, I might have gotten your point more clearly. Don&#8217;t get me wrong. I love del.icio.us, but I&#8217;m less certain about the value I leave in my wake when I tag something there. It&#8217;s an incredibly handy tool, but for the most part I (and most other people I talk to) use it as a personal bookmark assistant. Very rarely tapping into the potential value of public tagging. Sometimes I poke around and look at other stuff people who&#8217;ve tagged the same links as I have tagged, but I can count on one hand number of interesting things I&#8217;ve found through those means.</p>
<p>Thanks for weighing in on the conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley Horowitz</title>
		<link>http://www.capria.tv/2006/05/old-media-bubble/comment-page-1/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradley Horowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 23:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re misinterpreting my comment &quot;leaving value in his or her wake.&quot;  The point is not that this is deliberate, intentional, or altruistic.  It&#039;s not as if folks are waking up and asking &quot;How can I make the web a better place today?&quot;  The wake a boat creates is by-product, not the prime motivation of the sailor.

The point is that their natural traversal through systems can create &lt;I&gt;implicit&lt;/I&gt; value that can be mined and reflected back to subsequent users.  For instance, consider &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.last.fm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;last.fm&lt;/A&gt;.  It&#039;s a fantastic service that depends on folks giving them the right to effectively spy on their listening habits.  In aggregate, things like recommendations and discovery are enabled.  This is what I mean by creating value in one&#039;s &quot;wake.&quot;  Nobody listens to music &lt;I&gt;because&lt;/I&gt; they wanna make last.fm a better service.  But through opting in, goodness happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re misinterpreting my comment &#8220;leaving value in his or her wake.&#8221;  The point is not that this is deliberate, intentional, or altruistic.  It&#8217;s not as if folks are waking up and asking &#8220;How can I make the web a better place today?&#8221;  The wake a boat creates is by-product, not the prime motivation of the sailor.</p>
<p>The point is that their natural traversal through systems can create <i>implicit</i> value that can be mined and reflected back to subsequent users.  For instance, consider <a HREF="http://www.last.fm" rel="nofollow">last.fm</a>.  It&#8217;s a fantastic service that depends on folks giving them the right to effectively spy on their listening habits.  In aggregate, things like recommendations and discovery are enabled.  This is what I mean by creating value in one&#8217;s &#8220;wake.&#8221;  Nobody listens to music <i>because</i> they wanna make last.fm a better service.  But through opting in, goodness happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.capria.tv/2006/05/old-media-bubble/comment-page-1/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 11:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philip, we&#039;re on the same page. I was reacting to the 1998-like hype that Web 2.0 and participatory media have garnered. Participatory media and its virtual conversations will have a profound effect on people&#039;s social networks and the public discourse. This will be a good thing.

Participatory media&#039;s effect on journalism will be profound.

What I meant to say is what you said more elegantly -- the three act drama&#039;s not going away. I find it interesting that so many big private equity players realize this as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip, we&#8217;re on the same page. I was reacting to the 1998-like hype that Web 2.0 and participatory media have garnered. Participatory media and its virtual conversations will have a profound effect on people&#8217;s social networks and the public discourse. This will be a good thing.</p>
<p>Participatory media&#8217;s effect on journalism will be profound.</p>
<p>What I meant to say is what you said more elegantly &#8212; the three act drama&#8217;s not going away. I find it interesting that so many big private equity players realize this as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Hodgetts</title>
		<link>http://www.capria.tv/2006/05/old-media-bubble/comment-page-1/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Hodgetts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 05:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love that you called out the &quot;leaving value in his or her wake&quot; comment for what it is.

OTOH, don&#039;t be too quick to dismiss the consumer generated media. It&#039;s not a case of consumer generated being the alternative to &quot;professional&quot; media production, it&#039;s both at the same time.  Some people will consume less &quot;pro&quot; media in favour of consumer generated &quot;genuine&quot; content, but professional production doesn&#039;t go away.

Cheers Philip</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love that you called out the &#8220;leaving value in his or her wake&#8221; comment for what it is.</p>
<p>OTOH, don&#8217;t be too quick to dismiss the consumer generated media. It&#8217;s not a case of consumer generated being the alternative to &#8220;professional&#8221; media production, it&#8217;s both at the same time.  Some people will consume less &#8220;pro&#8221; media in favour of consumer generated &#8220;genuine&#8221; content, but professional production doesn&#8217;t go away.</p>
<p>Cheers Philip</p>
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