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	<title>Comments on: The COW groans</title>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://www.capria.tv/2007/06/the-cow-groans/comment-page-1/#comment-2276</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all very interesting. On a lark, I thought I&#039;d google &quot;Ron Lindeboom problem&quot;... wow, the search results are plentiful.

In a nutshell, I was libeled a day ago on the Cow&#039;s boards, by Lindeboom himself. 

1 and 1/2 months ago, I posted a notice within my own job available posting, to please not respond unless you are really serious. A number of people had responded to my initial post, applying for the job, then flaked within a couple weeks. (A job that was a 4-figure job, for 20-30 seconds of motion graphics.)

I wasn&#039;t rude in my posting, but was a bit annoyed that so many of the Cow&#039;s responders would be flakes. And in this economy. Given I was on &quot;Moderate&quot; anyway, if Cow didn&#039;t like my post, they wouldn&#039;t let it go through.

But they did. However, someone on the Admin side interspersed surly comments within my post, identified by &quot;Cow&#039;s Admin Response:&quot;

Fine. I hadn&#039;t been back to ever see these. Then, I get notified of a new post to the thread and go look. This is now 45-50 days later. Lo and Behold, Ron Lindeboom posts himself, railing against me and libeling me. I email him privately, asking him what the issue is, and why are you libeling me?

He&#039;s upset, because: a) someone voted on my thread (or post) and give it a &quot;kudos&quot; or a 5 star rating (I don&#039;t even know what these are), so he&#039;s pissed off at that; b) he claims he emailed me privately after my initial post 45 days ago, and that he reprimanded me in that email; and c) I posted his reprimanding email at CC.

What??? I wish &quot;b&quot; were true, I&#039;d love to see his &quot;reprimand&quot; of me for my innocuous posting. And... if he really did send me an email that shows him in a bad light, how could I ever get this posted at CC? I&#039;m on &quot;Moderate,&quot; who there would allow this post to go through?

This man will not reason; all attempts to reason/inquire/clear up by email only result in more anger and personal attacks from him. He will not admit he&#039;s mistaking me or this situation for something else (or maybe he&#039;s just crazy?). And he will not return a phone call (yes, I called his office to try to straighten out this apparent misunderstanding).

Obviously, he&#039;s got a problem. I stand by this post, and have emails to back this up. I actually wished I had cached the post at CC he libeled me on, but he removed it within a couple hours and deleted the entire thread. And then banned me.

Whatever his problem is, be it psychological issues, ego issues, insecurity issues, or a combination of these... it&#039;s a real shame. It&#039;s a disservice to the creative community at CC, but thankfully, there are other places to go to post job opportunities, etc.

JC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all very interesting. On a lark, I thought I&#8217;d google &#8220;Ron Lindeboom problem&#8221;&#8230; wow, the search results are plentiful.</p>
<p>In a nutshell, I was libeled a day ago on the Cow&#8217;s boards, by Lindeboom himself. </p>
<p>1 and 1/2 months ago, I posted a notice within my own job available posting, to please not respond unless you are really serious. A number of people had responded to my initial post, applying for the job, then flaked within a couple weeks. (A job that was a 4-figure job, for 20-30 seconds of motion graphics.)</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t rude in my posting, but was a bit annoyed that so many of the Cow&#8217;s responders would be flakes. And in this economy. Given I was on &#8220;Moderate&#8221; anyway, if Cow didn&#8217;t like my post, they wouldn&#8217;t let it go through.</p>
<p>But they did. However, someone on the Admin side interspersed surly comments within my post, identified by &#8220;Cow&#8217;s Admin Response:&#8221;</p>
<p>Fine. I hadn&#8217;t been back to ever see these. Then, I get notified of a new post to the thread and go look. This is now 45-50 days later. Lo and Behold, Ron Lindeboom posts himself, railing against me and libeling me. I email him privately, asking him what the issue is, and why are you libeling me?</p>
<p>He&#8217;s upset, because: a) someone voted on my thread (or post) and give it a &#8220;kudos&#8221; or a 5 star rating (I don&#8217;t even know what these are), so he&#8217;s pissed off at that; b) he claims he emailed me privately after my initial post 45 days ago, and that he reprimanded me in that email; and c) I posted his reprimanding email at CC.</p>
<p>What??? I wish &#8220;b&#8221; were true, I&#8217;d love to see his &#8220;reprimand&#8221; of me for my innocuous posting. And&#8230; if he really did send me an email that shows him in a bad light, how could I ever get this posted at CC? I&#8217;m on &#8220;Moderate,&#8221; who there would allow this post to go through?</p>
<p>This man will not reason; all attempts to reason/inquire/clear up by email only result in more anger and personal attacks from him. He will not admit he&#8217;s mistaking me or this situation for something else (or maybe he&#8217;s just crazy?). And he will not return a phone call (yes, I called his office to try to straighten out this apparent misunderstanding).</p>
<p>Obviously, he&#8217;s got a problem. I stand by this post, and have emails to back this up. I actually wished I had cached the post at CC he libeled me on, but he removed it within a couple hours and deleted the entire thread. And then banned me.</p>
<p>Whatever his problem is, be it psychological issues, ego issues, insecurity issues, or a combination of these&#8230; it&#8217;s a real shame. It&#8217;s a disservice to the creative community at CC, but thankfully, there are other places to go to post job opportunities, etc.</p>
<p>JC</p>
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		<title>By: Studio Daily Blog &#187; Podcasts, podcasts, podcasts</title>
		<link>http://www.capria.tv/2007/06/the-cow-groans/comment-page-1/#comment-1506</link>
		<dc:creator>Studio Daily Blog &#187; Podcasts, podcasts, podcasts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the fact that Creative COW seems to have engaged in some childish anti-competitive practices over the years I&#8217;ll still mention the Creative COW postcast hosted [...]</description>
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		<title>By: basspig</title>
		<link>http://www.capria.tv/2007/06/the-cow-groans/comment-page-1/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>basspig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 05:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to express my sincere empathy with you, over this matter. It seems that CreativeCow.net, and especially Ron Lindeboom, the owner, is grossly nasty to their forum members.

He closed my account without so much as a warning (well, AFTER closing it he wrote me a vague e-mail), but I can tell you that the trigger was probably my asking bloggers who own the new XDCam EX about the audio frequency response. CreativeCow must have been given orders from Sony to hush me up because of my exposing the awful audio on the HVR-V1U last year.

You can read MY beef with CreativeCow here:

http://members.tripod.com/JapanRadio/

Good riddance to the Cow. Some of those people (not all) are not only impolite, they are downright technically WRONG and spreading false information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to express my sincere empathy with you, over this matter. It seems that CreativeCow.net, and especially Ron Lindeboom, the owner, is grossly nasty to their forum members.</p>
<p>He closed my account without so much as a warning (well, AFTER closing it he wrote me a vague e-mail), but I can tell you that the trigger was probably my asking bloggers who own the new XDCam EX about the audio frequency response. CreativeCow must have been given orders from Sony to hush me up because of my exposing the awful audio on the HVR-V1U last year.</p>
<p>You can read MY beef with CreativeCow here:</p>
<p><a href="http://members.tripod.com/JapanRadio/" rel="nofollow">http://members.tripod.com/JapanRadio/</a></p>
<p>Good riddance to the Cow. Some of those people (not all) are not only impolite, they are downright technically WRONG and spreading false information.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.capria.tv/2007/06/the-cow-groans/comment-page-1/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I am emailing links to this article on the generalist blog to ALL of the Cow&#039;s sponsors and letting them know that I will not be using any of their services as long as they support the Cow&#039;s practices by continued advertising.  I urge others to do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I am emailing links to this article on the generalist blog to ALL of the Cow&#8217;s sponsors and letting them know that I will not be using any of their services as long as they support the Cow&#8217;s practices by continued advertising.  I urge others to do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Capria</title>
		<link>http://www.capria.tv/2007/06/the-cow-groans/comment-page-1/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Capria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before turning this into more than it is, understand that COW team is likely changing the terms of service, documenting that change, and looking for an acceptable way to spin it for current users and advertisers.


It will take time. Don&#039;t expect any reversal of policy. The COW has always been an extremely sponsor-friendly environment. That won&#039;t change. There are no professional journalists in the leadership. It&#039;s not about getting it right, it&#039;s about making advertisers happy. Totally legal, and ethical provided policies are clearly stated. (Currently those policies are not.)

The COW&#039;s a good place for a quick answer, but pretty useless for critical evaluations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before turning this into more than it is, understand that COW team is likely changing the terms of service, documenting that change, and looking for an acceptable way to spin it for current users and advertisers.</p>
<p>It will take time. Don&#8217;t expect any reversal of policy. The COW has always been an extremely sponsor-friendly environment. That won&#8217;t change. There are no professional journalists in the leadership. It&#8217;s not about getting it right, it&#8217;s about making advertisers happy. Totally legal, and ethical provided policies are clearly stated. (Currently those policies are not.)</p>
<p>The COW&#8217;s a good place for a quick answer, but pretty useless for critical evaluations.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
		<link>http://www.capria.tv/2007/06/the-cow-groans/comment-page-1/#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 19:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weird that Ron and Kathlyn don&#039;t even want to address the issue. Tim Wilson says in his announcement &quot;it might take me a while to respond&quot;. Why not just say &quot;I have to check with Ron before saying anything&quot; I don&#039;t know what the Lindebooms are doing that prevents them from addressing this issue themselves. I hope for their sake it is something lucrative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weird that Ron and Kathlyn don&#8217;t even want to address the issue. Tim Wilson says in his announcement &#8220;it might take me a while to respond&#8221;. Why not just say &#8220;I have to check with Ron before saying anything&#8221; I don&#8217;t know what the Lindebooms are doing that prevents them from addressing this issue themselves. I hope for their sake it is something lucrative.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Childress</title>
		<link>http://www.capria.tv/2007/06/the-cow-groans/comment-page-1/#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Childress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last time I looked, their top banner said &quot;Number One with Media Professionals&quot;, not Media Hobbyists. Most pros who use the web to gather information or solve problems have several favorite sites they frequently look at, not just one. There is no good business sense in trying to hide other sites from users. This is a situation where small minds breed paranoid behaviors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last time I looked, their top banner said &#8220;Number One with Media Professionals&#8221;, not Media Hobbyists. Most pros who use the web to gather information or solve problems have several favorite sites they frequently look at, not just one. There is no good business sense in trying to hide other sites from users. This is a situation where small minds breed paranoid behaviors.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.capria.tv/2007/06/the-cow-groans/comment-page-1/#comment-133</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a major blowout with this guy about a year ago. I posted a question in the AE forum that was subsequently moved to the beginner AE forum without notice (a serious question, from an 8 year AE vet). Not that big a deal. So I re-posted, not knowing what happened, remarking on how my post was zapped... you should have seen the personal flame he sends me. &quot;You don&#039;t tell me where and how I move posts on my board... yadda, yadda, yadda&quot;

Really left a bad taste in my mouth, haven&#039;t been back since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a major blowout with this guy about a year ago. I posted a question in the AE forum that was subsequently moved to the beginner AE forum without notice (a serious question, from an 8 year AE vet). Not that big a deal. So I re-posted, not knowing what happened, remarking on how my post was zapped&#8230; you should have seen the personal flame he sends me. &#8220;You don&#8217;t tell me where and how I move posts on my board&#8230; yadda, yadda, yadda&#8221;</p>
<p>Really left a bad taste in my mouth, haven&#8217;t been back since.</p>
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